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Kasept
09-08-2008, 10:26 AM
WO Mile: Rahy's Attorney 107
N. Dancer: Champs Elysees 98
Canadian: J'ray 99

Garden City: Backseat Rhythm 96
Ruffian: Tough Tiz's Sis 113 ( Previous three Beyers: 97-96-94 )

Lassie: C.S. Silk 84
Pucker Up: Closeout 95

Endine: Sweet Hope 101

TP Fall Championship: Delightful Kiss 90

Seaway: Akronism 98

DMR Futurity: Midshipman 85
DMR Debutante: Starbound Bound 87

PA Derby: Anak Nakal 101

Glens Falls: Hostess 100
Hopeful: Vineyard Haven 84

10 pnt move up
09-08-2008, 10:55 AM
Garden City: Backseat Rhythm 96
Ruffian: Tough Tiz's Sis 113 ( Previous three Beyers: 97-96-94 )

Lassie: C.S. Silk 84
Pucker Up: Closeout 95

Endine: Sweet Hope 101

TP Fall Championship: Delightful Kiss 90

Seaway: Akronism 98

DMR Futurity: Midshipman 85
DMR Debutante: Starbound Bound 87

PA Derby: Anak Nakal 101

Glens Falls: Hostess 100
Hopeful: Vineyard Haven 84

"Ruffian: Tough Tiz's Sis 113 ( Previous three Beyers: 97-96-94 )"

Its in the slop so this one may not be the same argument but just about every horse that goes from Synthetic to Dirt and wins somehow gets much faster. Beyer does not have a grasp of the synthetic surfaces, and frankly here is hoping he never does!

ateamstupid
09-08-2008, 10:59 AM
"Ruffian: Tough Tiz's Sis 113 ( Previous three Beyers: 97-96-94 )"

Its in the slop so this one may not be the same argument but just about every horse that goes from Synthetic to Dirt and wins somehow gets much faster. Beyer does not have a grasp of the synthetic surfaces, and frankly here is hoping he never does!

Thing is, Tough Tiz's Sis had run 11 races on dirt before Saturday and had a top figure of 95, so I don't think that argument makes much sense here.

Plus, she was beaten 6 1/4 lengths last time out and got a 97. How high did you want her figure to be?

10 pnt move up
09-08-2008, 07:43 PM
Thing is, Tough Tiz's Sis had run 11 races on dirt before Saturday and had a top figure of 95, so I don't think that argument makes much sense here.

Plus, she was beaten 6 1/4 lengths last time out and got a 97. How high did you want her figure to be?

thats why I said this case may not be the best argument...I would argue thought she is better the past 16 months then previous form. I am sure a data base guy could prove it out but thats not me....Its related to the pace and I will leave it at that.

stonegossard
09-08-2008, 11:25 PM
What....did Byk's girlfriend leave him for Frankel.

10 pnt move up
09-09-2008, 12:43 AM
Garden City: Backseat Rhythm 96
Ruffian: Tough Tiz's Sis 113 ( Previous three Beyers: 97-96-94 )

Lassie: C.S. Silk 84
Pucker Up: Closeout 95

Endine: Sweet Hope 101

TP Fall Championship: Delightful Kiss 90

Seaway: Akronism 98

DMR Futurity: Midshipman 85
DMR Debutante: Starbound Bound 87

PA Derby: Anak Nakal 101

Glens Falls: Hostess 100
Hopeful: Vineyard Haven 84


DMR Futurity: Midshipman 85
DMR Debutante: Starbound Bound 87

I think both these horses are pretty nice, hard to believe they are so far behind their east coast counterparts....on figures that is.

Kasept
09-09-2008, 07:44 AM
SUNDAY'S WOODBINE STAKES

WO Mile: Rahy's Attorney 107
N. Dancer: Champs Elysees 98
Canadian: J'ray 99

CSC
09-09-2008, 09:22 AM
SUNDAY'S WOODBINE STAKES

WO Mile: Rahy's Attorney 107
N. Dancer: Champs Elysees 98
Canadian: J'ray 99

Beyers aside, The most impressive performance on the day by far was by J'ray.

ateamstupid
09-09-2008, 11:37 AM
Why does Rahy need an attorney?

CSC
09-09-2008, 12:08 PM
Why does Rahy need an attorney?

I laughed. :confused: :)

the_fat_man
09-09-2008, 01:18 PM
Beyers aside, The most impressive performance on the day by far was by J'ray.

thank you

10 pnt move up
09-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Beyers aside, The most impressive performance on the day by far was by J'ray.


you mean you were not impressed with the Northern Dancer?

letswastemoney
09-10-2008, 12:57 AM
synthetic beyers are on a 3rd surface. they are never supposed to have the same beyers as dirt...they will always be lower on average

10 pnt move up
09-10-2008, 01:21 PM
synthetic beyers are on a 3rd surface. they are never supposed to have the same beyers as dirt...they will always be lower on average

one can only hope

CSC
09-10-2008, 06:46 PM
you mean you were not impressed with the Northern Dancer?

Champs Elysees is burdened by the high expectations from his highly regarded breeding has brought upon him...Objectively speaking if he was John Doe I guess we would say he is a good horse who just won a grade 1, afterall he beat a pretty decent world class horse in Quijano. So yes perhaps he is unfairly ridiculed at times, I know I have been guilty of that in the past.

CSC
09-10-2008, 06:47 PM
thank you

Your welcome I think...