Tampa Thursday: $39k Carryover

[Bigsmc]

I am livid. I was working on a post commenting on each horse in the Pick 6 with the intention of finding possible singles for tomorrows carryover. I finished the post, and was proofreading it when I lost my internet connection. When I got the internet going, I lost the post.

Took me all day to type it up in between work interruptions.

Depressing.

I may attempt an abbreviated version later.

[tiggerv]

I am assuming sloppy and off turf tomorrow?

[Bigsmc]

I am assuming sloppy and off turf tomorrow?

I'm guessing off the turf and good dirt....possibly sloppy but it hasn't rained too much today and the sun is supposed to be out tomorrow. The main track is very sandy, drains well and dries quickly once the sun is out.

[Rudeboyelvis]

I am livid. I was working on a post commenting on each horse in the Pick 6 with the intention of finding possible singles for tomorrows carryover. I finished the post, and was proofreading it when I lost my internet connection. When I got the internet going, I lost the post.

Took me all day to type it up in between work interruptions.

Depressing.

I may attempt an abbreviated version later.
ARRRRRRGHHH!!! Same thing happened to me early in the meet - I started doing them in Word and then copy/paste ever since...

Going to wait till tomorrow to see the scratches in the 7th and 10th before I invest too much time...At a quick glance, I've got a few ideas for the first two legs...the 8th race looks impossibly wide open though

[Bigsmc]

ARRRRRRGHHH!!! Same thing happened to me early in the meet - I started doing them in Word and then copy/paste ever since...

Going to wait till tomorrow to see the scratches in the 7th and 10th before I invest too much time...At a quick glance, I've got a few ideas for the first two legs...the 8th race looks impossibly wide open though

Glad you have an opinion in the 6th, it is killing me.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Glad you have an opinion in the 6th, it is killing me.


there coming from every direction in that one...And looks like one of those races where you go 5 deep and wind up catching the stinking favorite. Speaking of which the 4 Max is Not appears pretty solid - only beaten a 1/2 length at the same condition over a good track (should be similar tomorrow). But Pecorado has his own horse in as well coming off the extended lay off - I hate seeing that in a race especially since the 4 may be the rabbit for his own horse...Siempre Verde on the big drop (open16 and N1X to 8N2L) shouldn't have that much trouble going turf to dirt, but can she handle the cut back in distance?, the lone work going 4 over the track says probably not... Asheba's Glitter may wake up, Irish Fight might too...

Thanks Mike - now I'm as confused as you :D :D :D

[tiggerv]

Glad you have an opinion in the 6th, it is killing me.

Oh man, I just started looking at the card and I am going to have to throw a dart in this one.

[tiggerv]

Oh man, I just started looking at the card and I am going to have to throw a dart in this one.

I think I am going to single the 6 Siempre Verde. Based on all the pace and speed figures I can come up with she dominates the field. Multiple negatives though, she will have to come from off the pace and doesn't appear to pass too many horses. Turf to dirt, route to sprint, and only 2 checks in 21 starts but I think the previous trainer (4%) didn't know how to find appropriate spots for this horse. Pedigree for dirt looks OK to me. If I don't single, I think I may have to go 5 or 6 deep and include the 1, 4, 8, 9 and 12.

[Bigsmc]

I think I am going to single the 6 Siempre Verde. Based on all the pace and speed figures I can come up with she dominates the field. Multiple negatives though, she will have to come from off the pace and doesn't appear to pass too many horses. Turf to dirt, route to sprint, and only 2 checks in 21 starts but I think the previous trainer (4%) didn't know how to find appropriate spots for this horse. Pedigree for dirt looks OK to me. If I don't single, I think I may have to go 5 or 6 deep and include the 1, 4, 8, 9 and 12.

I'm with you on the 4,6,8,9,12. I'm not sold on the 1. She had 4 chances here last year at similar levels and didn't finish better than 5th. It's not like she was hot and something went wrong in her last requiring the layoff. She wasn't good in any of the races and I don't see her being a different animal today.

Singling the 6 is a very daring move and may be the right move. The severe cutback in distance is probably the biggest reason I am not singling. I envision this one having too much work to do late. I just don't know about this one. Unfortunately, my opinion is not clearer after sleeping on it.

Possible singles for me....
Tomochichi in the 7th (Post hurts, but looks to be much the best to me)
Stormin Yank in the 8th (blew by some good horses in his debut)
Divine Wonder in the 9th (really seems to have his act together)
Affirmed Action in the 10th (Addition of blinks gives this one a big wire to wire shot, needs a scratch of the Albertrani)

Ticket(s) up later. My first crack at it last night was over $700, I've got some decisions to make because I am not spending that much today.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

race 5


pp 2 right on it ..e dubai and past med tries wins it
pp 3 dazingle
pp 1 blues muse

race 6

pp 6 siempre verde
pp 4 max is not


race 7

pp 10tomochichi
pp 4 vocabulary




race 8
pp 10 chasing smoke
pp 3 stormin yank
pp 8 winn a tour


race 9

pp 9 devine wonder
pp 6 golden trend
pp 2 stormy run

race 10

pp 9 ru de argent
pp 10 top management

[Bigsmc]

Wow! Fast/good. Time to take another look at the turf races.

Thursday, February 14, 2008

TRACK: Fast
TURF: Good
Portable rail: at 12 feet

Weather: Sunny � upper 60�s

Pick 6 CARRYOVER: $39,060.49


RACE 1 #9-Scratched(Double Check)
Post Time 12:26

RACE 2 #1-jockey C. Dooley
#5-Scratched(Thugster)
#8-jockey J. Cruz
Post Time 12:52

RACE 3 #9-jockey Y. Rosario
Post Time 1:20

RACE 4 #5-Scratched(Boracay Princess) #6-+3
Post Time 1:49

RACE 5 #1-+3
#4-Scratched(Mysweetdistraction)
Post Time 2:18

RACE 6 #3-Scratched(Oh My Billy)
#12-Scratched(Irish Fight)
Post Time 2:48

RACE 7 (Turf)
#11-Scratched(Misfit Manny)
#12-Scratched(Hit Another Gear)
#13-Scratched(Sir George)
#14-Scratched(Sir Fei)
Post Time 3:14

RACE 8 #1-Scratched(Rocklane) P.O.E.
Post Time 3:40

RACE 9 #3-+3
Post Time 4:10

RACE 10 (Turf) #1-+1
#11-Scratched(Sawgrass Allie)
#12-Scratched(I Am a Tank)
#13-Scratched(Kickin� Up Sand)
#14-Scratched(Fabulous Word)
Post Time 4:40

[Rudeboyelvis]

Wow! Fast/good. Time to take another look at the turf races.



Hard to believe - Well, time to get to work -

[Bigsmc]

Now that they are staying on the grass the 10 - Top Management in the 10th race is one to look at. He is a half to Rich in Spirit who is a two time Grade 3 winner on the grass. He only shows one small gap in a long series of works. The breeding says distance will not be a problem.

One to possibly include on your backup tickets.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Scratches

2/14/2008

Race # Horse # Name

7 13 Sir George


I was with Hooves on this one - was going to give 'ole CPF a shot if he drew in :(

[tiggerv]

Possible singles for me....
Stormin Yank in the 8th (blew by some good horses in his debut)


Interesting I will have to watch that race since I was considering 8 Wynn A Tour as a single. Ritchey off a maiden win is a nice ROI and I thought coming out of MSW company vs MC company that Stormin Yank ran in was the difference. However I just noticed that it looks like the 2nd and 3rd place finisher in Stormin Yank's race won next out.

My ticket is getting too expensive. I will wait for scratches.

[tiggerv]

Hard to believe - Well, time to get to work -

Wow, I was sure they would be off...

[Rudeboyelvis]

The scratch of Rocklane in the 8th has helped me trim my ticket to only 7 in that leg :eek:

[Bigsmc]

Hard to believe - Well, time to get to work -

Considering how long they were off the turf the last time it rained....yes it is hard to believe.

[Bigsmc]

Interesting I will have to watch that race since I was considering 8 Wynn A Tour as a single. Ritchey off a maiden win is a nice ROI and I thought coming out of MSW company vs MC company that Stormin Yank ran in was the difference. However I just noticed that it looks like the 2nd and 3rd place finisher in Stormin Yank's race won next out.

My ticket is getting too expensive. I will wait for scratches.

The longer I look at the race, the more leery I become. I can't leave the 11 out.

Some nice looking horses are being left out in order to make the ticket playable. As of now I have 3,8,11 on my main.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Can't get excited about either of the two favorites - Vocabulary or Tomochichi. Tomochichi has scratched out of at least two starts (that I recall, and likely more) already this meet, yet to make his first start here at Tam although he's been herre since early Dec... - Don't know what the problem is, but the last work was a dull as dog poop and I'm simply not sold on this one. Vocabulary making his first start off a 6 month layoff would appear to need a race, E. Oro in the irons is no bargain, and the workouts, while steady, nothing of note other than they are even...

My top pick in the race if it were taken off the turf was the 7 Primogeniture and I'm leaving him in - going with the 6 Mr. Mombassa and will attempt to cover my asz with the 10 Tomochichi as the taller of the two pygmies.

still got the 10th to go through

[Bigsmc]

Okay. My main ticket (for now, I've only changed it 5 times in the last half hour):

Race 5:
3 - Danzeagle 3rd
11 - My Attilissa

Race 6:
4 - Max Is Not
6 - Siempre Verde

Race 7:
9 - Backtracken
10 - Tomochichi

Race 8:
3 - Stormin Yank
8 - Wynn a Tour
11 - Service Corps

Race 9;
9 - Divine Wonder

Race 10:
7 - Equation
8 - Affirmed Action
10 - Top Management

2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 1 x 3 = $144

[tiggerv]

Can't get excited about either of the two favorites - Vocabulary or Tomochichi. Tomochichi has scratched out of at least two starts (that I recall, and likely more) already this meet, yet to make his first start here at Tam although he's been herre since early Dec... - Don't know what the problem is, but the last work was a dull as dog poop and I'm simply not sold on this one. Vocabulary making his first start off a 6 month layoff would appear to need a race, E. Oro in the irons is no bargain, and the workouts, while steady, nothing of note other than they are even...

My top pick in the race if it were taken off the turf was the 7 Primogeniture and I'm leaving him in - going with the 6 Mr. Mombassa and will attempt to cover my asz with the 10 Tomochichi as the taller of the two pygmies.

still got the 10th to go through

I thought the 4,6,7 and 10 were all contenders in that race and I would have even played the 2 if they were off the turf but will probably toss now. I will cover all of them in the P4 but not sure I can afford that in the P6.

[tiggerv]

The longer I look at the race, the more leery I become. I can't leave the 11 out.

Some nice looking horses are being left out in order to make the ticket playable. As of now I have 3,8,11 on my main.

I agree. I am finding it quite difficult to find races to single. Probably means that I shouldn't play or just take a small stab and hope for it to be my day.

[Bigsmc]

Can't get excited about either of the two favorites - Vocabulary or Tomochichi. Tomochichi has scratched out of at least two starts (that I recall, and likely more) already this meet, yet to make his first start here at Tam although he's been herre since early Dec... - Don't know what the problem is, but the last work was a dull as dog poop and I'm simply not sold on this one. Vocabulary making his first start off a 6 month layoff would appear to need a race, E. Oro in the irons is no bargain, and the workouts, while steady, nothing of note other than they are even...

My top pick in the race if it were taken off the turf was the 7 Primogeniture and I'm leaving him in - going with the 6 Mr. Mombassa and will attempt to cover my asz with the 10 Tomochichi as the taller of the two pygmies.

still got the 10th to go through

Exactly why he's left off my ticket. Not sure this kid knows what two turns are.

[Bigsmc]

I agree. I am finding it quite difficult to find races to single. Probably means that I shouldn't play or just take a small stab and hope for it to be my day.

The above ticket is all that I am playing for that very reason. Hope to get lucky or root like hell for another carry.

[Bigsmc]

Pick 4

Small Ticket:

6,7,9,10/3,8,11/5,9/7,8 = $48 paid $328.30

Big Ticket:

5,6,7,9,10/3,4,8,11/5,9/7,8,9,10 = $160 paid $328.30

GL

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Now that they are staying on the grass the 10 - Top Management in the 10th race is one to look at. He is a half to Rich in Spirit who is a two time Grade 3 winner on the grass. He only shows one small gap in a long series of works. The breeding says distance will not be a problem.

One to possibly include on your backup tickets.
its all him ..ill use the 9 too but he should roll

[Rudeboyelvis]

R5
1 Blues Mise WON
11 My Attilissa

R6
4 Max is Not
6 Sempre Verde

R7
6 Mr. Mombasssa
7 Primogeniture
10 tomochichi

R8
3 Stormin Yank
8 Wynn a tour
11 Service Corps

R9
9 Divine Wonder

R10
8 Affirmed Action
9 Rue d' Argent

2x2x3x3x1x2 = 72x $2 = 144.00

[Rudeboyelvis]

Not spending 532.00 to play this, but thought it an interesting ticket using A,B,C method with 2 B's or 1 C and the balance A's:

Race A B C
5) Leg 1- 1 // 11 // 3 //
6) Leg 2- 4,6 // 6,9 // 8 //
7) Leg 3- 6,7 // 10 // //
8) Leg 4- 3// 8,11 // 5,6,7,10 //
9) Leg 5- 9 // 6 //
10) Leg 6- 8,9// 7// 10

[tiggerv]

R5
2 - Right On It
3 - Danzeagle
11 - My Attilissa

R6
6 - Siempre Verde

R7
6 - Mister Mombassa
7 - Primogeniture
10 - Tomochichi

R8
8 - Wynn A tour

R9
9 - Divine Wonder

R10
8 - Affirmed Action
9 - Rue D'argent
10 - Tom Management

3x1x3x1x1x3 = $54

[tiggerv]

P4

6,7,10
3,8,11
5,9
4,7,8,9,10

$90

[Scav]

5: 3,11
6: 4,5,6,8
7: 10
8: 1,3,4
9: 4,5,9
10: 8,9

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i cant single devine wonder..ill pass on playing but sometimes what looks too good isnt..the 10 could fire..and that was a wet fast track ... out of crypto he should have liked it.the 2 would be my single in there.. good luck you guys..

[Scav]

5: 1,2,3,5,11
6: 4,6,7,8,9
7: 4,8,9,10
8: 3,4,6,11
9: 5,9
10: 7,9

Obviously not playing this but I kinda just came up with a thought.

These tracks that have p6's and barely get any play, when they get these 40k carryovers, where maybe 40k will be bet in, would it be plausible to put a abnormally large ticket, given that maybe 30k of that will be tickets under $200, so I build the ticket above to be a pool sweeper. What the hell, it is play money anyways :)

But if you can get 15/1 on $3200, would you take it?

[Bigsmc]

Nice to see Ronnie Allen Jr back riding and in the winners circle.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

5: 1,2,3,5,11
6: 4,6,7,8,9
7: 4,8,9,10
8: 3,4,6,11
9: 5,9
10: 7,9

Obviously not playing this but I kinda just came up with a thought.

These tracks that have p6's and barely get any play, when they get these 40k carryovers, where maybe 40k will be bet in, would it be plausible to put a abnormally large ticket, given that maybe 30k of that will be tickets under $200, so I build the ticket above to be a pool sweeper. What the hell, it is play money anyways :)

But if you can get 15/1 on $3200, would you take it?
your trippin.. and vern bush just rode like prado.. lmfao

[Scav]

your trippin.. and vern bush just rode like prado.. lmfao

Essentially yes, but watch it hit and it would have paid like 80k :)

[tiggerv]

Ugh...Vern Bush? Really?

[Scav]

they only bet 23k into the pool today....$64k total then?

[Bigsmc]

Ugh...Vern Bush? Really?

gpk's boy. Can't seem to get below 121 on the weight. Not having a stellar meet. I was not a fan of that horse esp. starting from the rail.

[Bigsmc]

they only bet 23k into the pool today....$64k total then?

Looks that way, unless there is takeout on the 23k.

[tiggerv]

gpk's boy. Can't seem to get below 121 on the weight. Not having a stellar meet. I was not a fan of that horse esp. starting from the rail.

My thoughts exactly, when I saw the rider and the rail I decided to toss. 3-1 to me was an underlay but I obviously know little.

God bless anybody betting any horse under 5-1 in this next race.

[Coach Pants]

Race 6
Angels Encore
WP

[Scav]

Do not like Siempre Verde at all in this spot

[Scav]

Carryover :)

[tiggerv]

Carryover

[Rudeboyelvis]

who won the 6th

[tiggerv]

who won the 6th

2 Classic Set at 50-1

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

who won the 6th
the horse that stopped in his last 2 times..lol the 2 50-1

[Bigsmc]

Carryover

I was already looking at tomorrow.....:)

Fontana has put over some bombs this year.

[Coach Pants]

****. That was worth a show bet.

[tiggerv]

I was already looking at tomorrow.....:)

Fontana has put over some bombs this year.

LOL. I may take the day off tomorrow so I can really concentrate on this.

Need one more bomb to make it a sure thing. Wouldn't surprise me if there aren't a couple tickets that didn't have the ALL button on that one.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

5: 1,2,3,5,11
6: 4,6,7,8,9
7: 4,8,9,10
8: 3,4,6,11
9: 5,9
10: 7,9

Obviously not playing this but I kinda just came up with a thought.

These tracks that have p6's and barely get any play, when they get these 40k carryovers, where maybe 40k will be bet in, would it be plausible to put a abnormally large ticket, given that maybe 30k of that will be tickets under $200, so I build the ticket above to be a pool sweeper. What the hell, it is play money anyways :)

But if you can get 15/1 on $3200, would you take it?
thats why you dont go ape **** with classless horses....

[Bigsmc]

9th Race on Friday.

MCL 25k going 5f on the dirt.

10 horses in the race......9 firsters.....smack in the heart of the P6...and P4....

[tiggerv]

****. That was worth a show bet.

I thought he was cooked entering the turn but he really battled back.

[Scav]

thats why you dont go ape **** with classless horses....

Thanks Obie won....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Thanks Obie won....
capt obv..your idea is not bad..if you went all in that leg and trimmed the fat off some others you may be the sole winner..........

[Bigsmc]

LOL. I may take the day off tomorrow so I can really concentrate on this.

Need one more bomb to make it a sure thing. Wouldn't surprise me if there aren't a couple tickets that didn't have the ALL button on that one.

I was already taking tomorrow off.

I'm not so sure another bomb is needed. Remember, this is Tampa. Only 23k was bet in the pool. I think a vast majority of that is the non-all button crowd.

[Bigsmc]

Thanks Obie won....

Dreaming of Anna is in The Endeavor on the grass Saturday at Tampa vs. Lears Princess.

[Bigsmc]

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Wise Answer (FL) 3 Colt 122 Jose Lezcano
2 Celtic Meal (FL) 3 Gelding 116 Andrew R. Ramgeet
3 Wonder Mon (MD) 3 Colt 116 Travis L. Dunkelberger
4 Fierce Wind (KY) 3 Colt 116 Cornelio H. Velasquez
5 Dynamic Wayne (IL) 3 Colt 116 Pablo Morales
6 Big Truck (NY) 3 Colt 116 Eibar Coa
7 Smooth Air (FL) 3 Colt 118 Manoel R. Cruz
8 Z Humor (KY) 3 Colt 122 Garrett K. Gomez
9 Honey Honey Honey (FL) 3 Colt 120 Jose E. Lopez

[tiggerv]

Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Wise Answer (FL) 3 Colt 122 Jose Lezcano
2 Celtic Meal (FL) 3 Gelding 116 Andrew R. Ramgeet
3 Wonder Mon (MD) 3 Colt 116 Travis L. Dunkelberger
4 Fierce Wind (KY) 3 Colt 116 Cornelio H. Velasquez
5 Dynamic Wayne (IL) 3 Colt 116 Pablo Morales
6 Big Truck (NY) 3 Colt 116 Eibar Coa
7 Smooth Air (FL) 3 Colt 118 Manoel R. Cruz
8 Z Humor (KY) 3 Colt 122 Garrett K. Gomez
9 Honey Honey Honey (FL) 3 Colt 120 Jose E. Lopez

Very nice field.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

kns would have smoked those..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

kns would have smoked those..
mr mombassa play back ..butcherd the ride on that ..

[tiggerv]

$52,453 carryover is official. Sadly 2 of 6 isn't going to pay out.

[Coach Pants]

Pick 4

Small Ticket:

6,7,9,10/3,8,11/5,9/7,8 = $48

Big Ticket:

5,6,7,9,10/3,4,8,11/5,9/7,8,9,10 = $160

GL

Way to get it, Bigs.

[tiggerv]

Congrats Bigs.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

sir biggs scores again.......congrats

[Rudeboyelvis]

Nice hit Bigs!