Greyhound Racing

[unassailable08]

Any body here play the Greyhounds.

I'm still learning how to play it.

[CapperZeke]

I used to go to Green Mountain all the time. I swore I would never attend another dog race in my life when I had 2 dogs DQ'ed the same night for bumping in the stretch.

[unassailable08]

yet no Dqs at Gulf and at Corpus Christi Greyhound track.

[SentToStud]

I used to go to Green Mountain all the time. I swore I would never attend another dog race in my life when I had 2 dogs DQ'ed the same night for bumping in the stretch.Zeke,
I have never read or heard about a greyhound being disqualified.

[CapperZeke]

Zeke,
I have never read or heard about a greyhound being disqualified.

STS,

It was only because the jock fell off.


Zeke

[SentToStud]

STS,

It was only because the jock fell off.


Zeke

that happened to me too, now that i think about it....
http://greyhound-data.com/dir/14/Monkey_riding_on_a_greyhound.jpg

[Suffolk Shippers]

I plied my trade at Raynham Taunton Greyhound Park here Raynham, MA...thats where I decided to take up horses...was sick of lane infractions by dogs lol

[golfer]

When I first moved out to Jacksonville (dog racing country) from Jersey, a buddy of mine explained how they once used trained monkeys as jockeys for the dogs... I almost fell for that one :)

Seriously, the key to handicapping dog racing is just like the ponies, watch all the races! dogs by habit and by breeding fairly consistently run in a similar path each time out. You can use that knowledge to figure out which dog may(or may not) get a clean run.

[SentToStud]

When I first moved out to Jacksonville (dog racing country) from Jersey, a buddy of mine explained how they once used trained monkeys as jockeys for the dogs... I almost fell for that one :)

Seriously, the key to handicapping dog racing is just like the ponies, watch all the races! dogs by habit and by breeding fairly consistently run in a similar path each time out. You can use that knowledge to figure out which dog may(or may not) get a clean run.
your friend wasn't lying. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:HnL5UtjDCwQJ:www.wonderlandgreyhoun d.com/history.html+greyhound+history+monkeys&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

[golfer]

Sonofagun!! My friend definitely wasn't in Buffalo in 1935, but I guess I still owe him an apology:o

[Bigsmc]

Any body here play the Greyhounds.

I'm still learning how to play it.

I can hold my own. Got my first ever signer at Derby Lane in St. Pete.

Derby Lane Million is March 1, 2008. $500k to the winner. You'll find me at the rail.

[skippy3481]

Big,
I found my love for horses at the great derby lane. I spent a good deal of time there. Made a good deal of money on it through college. Nothing like seeing dogs around that first turn.

[GPK]

I can hold my own. Got my first ever signer at Derby Lane in St. Pete.

Derby Lane Million is March 1, 2008. $500k to the winner. You'll find me at the rail.


and then afterwards, you and Scavs can find some roaches to bet on..

damn gambling fools...

[pmayjr]

Whenever I go to Florida, I always have to hit up the Greyhound track (and see Cajun lol). They used to have them all over Wisconsin, including right across the border from MPLS, MN in Hudson, WI, but it closed about 5 years ago. So now when I go to Florida I gotta play the Greyhounds.

[Bigsmc]

and then afterwards, you and Scavs can find some roaches to bet on..

damn gambling fools...

Nothing like the warm beer they sell in a paper cup on the Derby Lane apron. Love the Double Quinella. The place isn't quite the same when they got rid of the brass band that was stationed to the left of the tote board. They'd play some old show tunes and marches between races. Played the same ditty everytime the dogs were getting loaded into the box. Now they just play a recording of the band playing the ditty. Not the same.

Oh, and I'll take $20 win on the #4 Cockaroach....

[GPK]

Nothing like the warm beer they sell in a paper cup on the Derby Lane apron. Love the Double Quinella. The place isn't quite the same when they got rid of the brass band that was stationed to the left of the tote board. They'd play some old show tunes and marches between races. Played the same ditty everytime the dogs were getting loaded into the box. Now they just play a recording of the band playing the ditty. Not the same.

Oh, and I'll take $20 win on the #4 Cockaroach....


I would say the 3 of us could bet on the golf course Friday morning of Toga...

but you know the story there.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Bigsmc]

I would say the 3 of us could bet on the golf course Friday morning of Toga...

but you know the story there.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yup.....

I was hoping he could do a Scav's style recap of the round on DT, let everyone get a feel for the carnage and comedy that is going to ensue.

[Thunder Gulch]

Love the Dog track, but have never been any good at picking them and mostly bet simulcast horses when I go. It's all about post position and kennel, but everyone knows that.

[GPK]

Yup.....

I was hoping he could do a Scav's style recap of the round on DT, let everyone get a feel for the carnage and comedy that is going to ensue.


F him. He is the one missing out.

[herkhorse]

I used to go to Green Mountain all the time. I swore I would never attend another dog race in my life when I had 2 dogs DQ'ed the same night for bumping in the stretch.
I miss Green Mountain, used to ride my bike there when I was 17. First track my grandpa ever took me too. Thanks Pop!:)

[westcoastinvader]

Any body here play the Greyhounds.

I'm still learning how to play it.





Have you ever been a bowler?

If so, you may know some bowlers are "spot" bowlers. They make the roll strategy "simple" by picking a spot on the set of arrows that is most likely going to result in their particular roll style hit the desired spot on the standing pins.

That's a way to handicap greyhounds, to some degree. Particularly in a 5/16 race if you can simply handicap the 3 or 4 dogs to come out of the first turn and still be near the lead you could have a pretty good chance in quinella, exacta and trifecta wagers.

Any dog that has a chance of closing from beyond the top 4 after the first turn usually shows pretty clearly in the form and can be factored/played accordingly.

I pay close attention to past performance in terms of a dog liking an inside or outside route, and then look at speed and endurance. If a dog looks like it likes an inside route, and has the speed to clear the first turn in front.....and doesn't show a tendency to tire.....that's a solid play.

Of course the #1 dog has a statistical advantage in most cases because normally there will not be a dog on the inside of it on the front stretch to drift out and knock offstride. On a similar note, I do look for likely collisions that could happen on the first turn due to multiple dogs likely wanting to be in the same place at the same time.

I've played dog tracks from Florida (every one, including the old track at South Beach.....long gone), Wisconsin, Arizona, New England and I think every state that has/had 'em including West "by golly" Virginia.

I've done pretty well over the years. Oh, and by the way, don't bet every race....of course. Pick your spots. And if you play win-place-show watch the pools closely. Normally not much $$ there and it's amazing how low of a "win" wager can make the odds board change.

I miss the dog tracks. Wish we had 'em out here in California.

[unassailable08]

you've been reading Prof Jones is book how to win at greyhound racing.

I'm following similar patterns that he talks about.

Haven't bet the greyhounds since, but I will be soon enough.

Aaron

[golfer]

I'm not sure which track you will be betting, but the biggest problem with betting greyhounds is the amount of money in the pools! In Jacksonville, you basically cannot bet into the win pool, because $20 effects the odds too much. A large bet can have you playing against yourself.
Bigs mentioned this earlier in the thread, the Quinella double is an interesting wager, with fairly large payouts, of course depending on how much is in the pool.

[GBBob]

you've been reading Prof Jones is book how to win at greyhound racing.

I'm following similar patterns that he talks about.

Haven't bet the greyhounds since, but I will be soon enough.

Aaron


I'll ask my Hound when I go upstairs about what to look for. He's asleep in our bed now. Turned 9 yesterday

[SentToStud]

you've been reading Prof Jones is book how to win at greyhound racing.

I'm following similar patterns that he talks about.

Haven't bet the greyhounds since, but I will be soon enough.

Aaron
Professor?

I was in the neighborhood and wanted to be a horse at Santa Anita so I went into the Hollywood Dog Track. Saw a few likely felons and assorted petty criminals but noone who looked like a professor. The Professor must have been on sabattical that night. Very scraggly crew there. On the other hand, Palm Beach on a Saturday is packed with people playing Gulf and NYRA. Totally different crowd at PBKC but anyone under 60 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian.

[golfer]

A couple weeks ago, some genius bet $300 across the board on a dog.. needless to say, the dog goes off 1-9, and he runs 3rd, paying 2.10 to show. $900 wagered, $315 returned.

[westcoastinvader]

If I like a dog to win, I'll place my win bet as soon as the windows open for that race. The board will read "1/5," but it will scare people away from playing it. Its odds will float.

I have a left over voucher from my last trip to Orange Park. I'm returning to the area in September or October for a few months. I'll be there again.

Cardus, Interesting perspective, I never thought of that.


My favorite dog of all time was Derek's Cadillac. I was there for four or five of his 16 wins in a row some years back.

His Dad was Irish Cadillac. Irish Cadillac would pick a fight mid race and try to bite another dog...muzzle and all.....and still come back to win.

I spent a single New Year's Eve at the dog track in Hollywood FL.

The doggies came out in tuxedos before the feature race. No lie!

Those dogs have personality, and I DO love to watch them run.

Thankfully, there are groups working diligently to help guarantee a humane aspect to what has in the past been an ugly part of the sport.


I guess it's a good think Michael Vick has never owned greyhounds......

[bigjag0716]

I played it up in Reno a few times. The teller there told me not to even try to handicapp the race, just go by the odds. I usually just boxed 3 horses....oops, I mean dogs in the exacta.

[mes5107]

For the Wonderland Derby (3/8ths), the lead outs (?) all wore tuxedos! I loved it.


When I first started working at Plainfield, we had a couple of tuxedo races each year. I believe one was called the Blazing Red Memorial. I was 16 when I started working there and didn't really know much about it, but I ended up working there for 7 years and learned a great deal about greyhound racing as I moved up the racing official ladder.

As was mentioned before, the break and the run up to the first turn is key. Each track has its own post position bias. The stats are usually available on the track website. Most often, the 1 hole is best. I tend to give a good deal of consideration to grade drops, for example a dog who has been racing in C the past couple of races in now down in grade D against weaker competition. A double grade drop (A->C or B->D) is even better, though sometimes it is clear that the dog's ability is dropping as well. Times are good to look at, though the trip factors hugely into the final time. Replays are a very good handicapping aid, if available.

[mes5107]

I liked Plainfield a lot. The background was inviting (tree-lined). My brother and I made it to Plainfield to see prelims of one of the invitationals.

Yeah, it was definitely my favorite job ever. When I was real young, I remember my mother and I parking on top of the hill and peering through the trees to watch a race or two go off in front of thousands of people who came outside to watch from the apron. It was quite different the last few years of its existence. Very sad. Two of the largest casinos in the world coming to Eastern CT sealed PGP's fate.

I still like to play the puppies once in a while, but I wish Plainfield was still around.

[The Bid]

PBKC is really a very nice place. I dont know anything about dogs, infact thats my only experience ever being in a dogtrack, but it was a very nice place. I was also there for Gulfstream.

[SentToStud]

PBKC is really a very nice place. I dont know anything about dogs, infact thats my only experience ever being in a dogtrack, but it was a very nice place. I was also there for Gulfstream. PBKC is nice, I agree. And they're making a killing there being just far enough away from Gulf to get the simulcast (Calder and Gulf don't take each others' signals). The handle on PB is as high or higher than Pomano, the harness track. PB is owned by the Rooney family who owns the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[djw]

I have not thought about some of the tracks that Cardus listed in a long, long time. When I was a kid, the Globe and the Herald used to cover the Wonderland Derby in a huge way, and I am sure the Record-American did before that. I am dating myself a little with theat reference. I have done all the NE tracks, thought Green Mountain was the most beautiful spot next to Saratoga to watch any kind of race. Dingy, but the surroundings were incredible. Shoreline Star - you still know you are in Bridgeport. Wonderland used to be the palce to be on a Saturday night. Most guys who grew up betting anywhere around Boston will laugh and smil when they hear "There goes Swifty.... and they're off!!!" Last point, I can't remember the other dog involved, but when Rosster Cogburn had a 3 race match race set up, you couldn't get onto the apron to see it the track was so full. Wonderland does not draw that may people (or teeth) now in a month's time. The power the Carney's have, and how they have used it to try and put Charlie Sarkis out of business, is unreal.

[2 Dollar Bill]

The only thing I know is...@ Plainfield play the 1- 4 -8 Triple box....:p

[Suffolk Shippers]

I have not thought about some of the tracks that Cardus listed in a long, long time. When I was a kid, the Globe and the Herald used to cover the Wonderland Derby in a huge way, and I am sure the Record-American did before that. I am dating myself a little with theat reference. I have done all the NE tracks, thought Green Mountain was the most beautiful spot next to Saratoga to watch any kind of race. Dingy, but the surroundings were incredible. Shoreline Star - you still know you are in Bridgeport. Wonderland used to be the palce to be on a Saturday night. Most guys who grew up betting anywhere around Boston will laugh and smil when they hear "There goes Swifty.... and they're off!!!" Last point, I can't remember the other dog involved, but when Rosster Cogburn had a 3 race match race set up, you couldn't get onto the apron to see it the track was so full. Wonderland does not draw that may people (or teeth) now in a month's time. The power the Carney's have, and how they have used it to try and put Charlie Sarkis out of business, is unreal.

The Carney's power in the Massachusetts racing industry is quite something. They pretty single handidly hold up simulcast bills every legislative year because they want more and more. They are doing it in their own best interest and the interests of their facility, which is commendable, but they should realize their hard line stances have ruined Massachusetts from a racing competitiveness stand point.

[hi_im_god]

Have you ever been a bowler?

If so, you may know some bowlers are "spot" bowlers. They make the roll strategy "simple" by picking a spot on the set of arrows that is most likely going to result in their particular roll style hit the desired spot on the standing pins.

That's a way to handicap greyhounds, to some degree. Particularly in a 5/16 race if you can simply handicap the 3 or 4 dogs to come out of the first turn and still be near the lead you could have a pretty good chance in quinella, exacta and trifecta wagers.

Any dog that has a chance of closing from beyond the top 4 after the first turn usually shows pretty clearly in the form and can be factored/played accordingly.

I pay close attention to past performance in terms of a dog liking an inside or outside route, and then look at speed and endurance. If a dog looks like it likes an inside route, and has the speed to clear the first turn in front.....and doesn't show a tendency to tire.....that's a solid play.

Of course the #1 dog has a statistical advantage in most cases because normally there will not be a dog on the inside of it on the front stretch to drift out and knock offstride. On a similar note, I do look for likely collisions that could happen on the first turn due to multiple dogs likely wanting to be in the same place at the same time.

I've played dog tracks from Florida (every one, including the old track at South Beach.....long gone), Wisconsin, Arizona, New England and I think every state that has/had 'em including West "by golly" Virginia.

I've done pretty well over the years. Oh, and by the way, don't bet every race....of course. Pick your spots. And if you play win-place-show watch the pools closely. Normally not much $$ there and it's amazing how low of a "win" wager can make the odds board change.

I miss the dog tracks. Wish we had 'em out here in California.

this is probably a better strategy than what i was do.

i always bet the gray.

i win some but it never seems to cover the takeout.

[Thunder Gulch]

A dogtrack regular was discussing his strategy with me that made some sense. As everyone keeps harping on, dogs are all about the trip and those in the clear have big advantages. That's why the 1 and 8 win more than their share since they will only have competition on one side and can avoid a pinch. The break is critical. Anyway, the theory is to track the tendency of a given dog to break "in", "straight", or "out". He knows them well enough to see if a dog breaks the say way over and over. By tracking these tendencies, you can identify the ones that will break into each other and the ones that will get the clear run. For example, you look at the 3 and see he goes straight, while the 2 usually goes in and the 4 goes out. That will give him a couple of paths of clear space. On a negative, find a favorite that will likely have problems with an adjacent dog and bet against. Obviously you have to track the dogs and watch some tape to pick up on this, but since they race every few days, I would think the initial homework could sustain itself for awhile at a given racetrack.

[golfer]

The MAIN problem with dog racing is the small pools, thereby smaller payouts relative to the difficulty in coming up with the winning numbers. The only "life changing" score available in dog racing is the twin tri or tri/super wagers, which are nothing more than lottery tickets. A friend of mine, an extremely intelligent guy, has spent years trying to beat the dogs, it is extraordinarily difficult. I used to play the dogs as well as the horses, but it just takes too much time to handicap the dog races (for me, anyway). I have given up.

[westcoastinvader]

The MAIN problem with dog racing is the small pools, thereby smaller payouts relative to the difficulty in coming up with the winning numbers. The only "life changing" score available in dog racing is the twin tri or tri/super wagers, which are nothing more than lottery tickets. A friend of mine, an extremely intelligent guy, has spent years trying to beat the dogs, it is extraordinarily difficult. I used to play the dogs as well as the horses, but it just takes too much time to handicap the dog races (for me, anyway). I have given up.


At the right tracks, I've done pretty well over the years boxing two dogs with four others in the tri's. $24 wager. Lots of at least double digit collecting action, and a good amount of triple digit collecting, and a fair share of signers.

Now, I say "the right tracks" cause the pool is everything.

I was at the Phoenix dog track last year and I swear there were less than 50 people in the place. No fun betting there.

But, I do enjoy watching their live races on the internet occasionally. Even with no wager.

[Bigsmc]

The downward spiral of Florida's greyhound racing continues...

http://www.bradenton.com/sports/story/124798.html

They were butting heads with Derby Lane in St. Pete...both running live racing at the same time...this area can't support two tracks running simultaneously....people living in Tampa will drive to St. Pete for live racing to avoid going to Tampa Greyhound...no comparison between the two tracks for live racing...

They are shutting down live racing to become a full time poker facility...

[skippy3481]

Walking into tampa's track, you had better be carrying an uzi, I've actually seen assault's take place there. Derby lane is such a beautiful track, but like all good things, it too is nearing its death. I was there a few months ago and in race 5 there was 106 dollars in the win pool.... Now I'm not a mathmetician but Making your own odds is a very very bad proposition.